Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing

Chris Bowers and other A-list political bloggers are wondering why there's been no response from the Edwards campaign on the whole caving-to-Bill-Donohue thing.

Well, I think I can tell you why right now:  I just got done listening to both drive-time radio and the ABC, CBS and NBC network TV news programs, and guess what wasn't mentioned once?  Not once?

That's right, this whole brouhaha.  (More after the jump.)

People forget that most Americans still get their news from either drive-time radio or the evening network news.  If it's not on either of those two places, it might as well have not happened as far as most Americans are concerned.

Because of this, I'm beginning to step away from the "let's make a big stink" idea of how to handle this, and starting to think that maybe there should be no response from the Edwards campaign at all -- the problem, I believe, stems from saying things when they shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

Edwards should of course keep Melissa and Amanda -- but he shouldn't assist Bill Donohue in keeping this non-event alive.  And the more I think about it, now that I've calmed down a bit, I can't see how publicly commenting does anything other than keep it alive.  (However, that doesn't mean that, say, some folks can't do some agitating on his behalf, such as pointing out the idiosyncrasies of people like Bill Donohue and of John McCain's own campaign blogger.)

Feel differently?  Let me know, and why.

UPDATE: CNN's mentioned it, but from the MyDD viewpoint -- which is better than taking the Donohue spin. Speaking of Bill Donohue, it turns out he calls women "bigots" all the time. Just look what he said about Barbara Walters today -- he called her a bigot, too -- and in language very similar to what he used against Amanda and Melissa: http://www.catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_1/070207_barbarawalters.htm

And here he is again:

Catholic League president Bill Donohue said lesbians were "something I'd expect to see in an asylum, frankly" when he spoke to Justice Sunday, a gathering of far-right evangelical Christian activists.
Why should we enable him by taking him seriously?

UPDATE: Someone brought the Swift Boat liars as a reason for Edwards to come out with guns a-blazing. The problem with that example is that the Swifties were discredited right away -- yet the media still kept citing O'Neill and Corsi as if they hadn't been discredited. Which means that the problem was not so much with the smear artists or their victims, as with the media that was all-too-eager to pick up the smears.

That's not happening this time out. For one thing, the blogs and MediaMatters are a lot stronger -- THEY are the ones doing the Rapid Response, and it's working: the story isn't taking off the way that Donohue and Malkin hoped it would; aside from the Nedra Pickler and Salon.com pieces that started the hoo-ha several news cycles ago, not much media play has been happening, and what coverage there has been is starting to acknowlege that 1) Donohue's a nutjob and 2) Republican campaign bloggers, such as McCain's own Patrick Hynes, have said "controversial" things, too.

I've been checking CNN's front page since last night; the story's nowhere to be found there -- not in the top stories, not in the most-read stories. Nothing on the front of the NYT's dead-tree edition, nothing in my local paper the StarTribune. Nothing on the radio this morning -- at least not on NPR. In other words, this still isn't being seen/heard where most Americans will see/hear about it.


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Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (none / 0)

It's been on CNN and you can be it will be on the usual suspects' cable TV spittlefests.


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by clarkent on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:10:22 PM EST

Which "usual suspect" supports Dems? (none / 0)

Which of those "usual suspects" supports Dems?

And which of those "usual suspects" even has viewers who vote for Democratic presidential nominees?

(sound of crickets chirping)


by socal on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:13:08 PM EST
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Re: Which "usual suspect" supports Dems? (none / 0)

It's an echo chamber - they'll keep the story going long enough for the networks to pick up on it.


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by clarkent on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:15:21 PM EST
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Not unless Edwards responds publicly (none / 0)

Not unless Edwards responds publicly -- THEN it stays alive.

If he says anything, he should mention that Bill Donohue likes to attack women -- he's gone after Barbara Walters right after he attacked Melissa and Amanda.


by Phoenix Woman on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:19:41 PM EST
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Phoenix (none / 0)

update your diary.. crooks and liars has video you can put up top

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/07 cnn-on-the-edwardsblogger-story


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by TarHeel on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:58:03 AM EST
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Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (3.00 / 0)

I think the "doing nothing" theory is wrong. It's a good opportunity for Edwards to stick up for his staff and the netroots, and he can point out the hypocrisy in the MSM coverage. It will also give him the opening to talk about GOP staff.


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by clarkent on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:14:21 PM EST

He can simply refuse to fire Amanda and Melissa (none / 0)

That's a statement in itself.  The campaign's first mistake was in talking to Nedra Pickler.  They should have said nothing.

And when asked, say not much beyond something like "the guy who attacked me also attacked Barbara Walters today, for what I thought were silly reasons.  Next?"


by Phoenix Woman on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:16:57 PM EST
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Cable ratings have been dropping (ex. for KO).... (none / 0)

...and the people who watch O'Reilly won't vote for us anyway.  Whooop dee doo.

Try this test:  Ask one of your co-workers if they heard about this.  I'd be very surprised if they have.


by Phoenix Woman on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:14:27 PM EST

Re: Cable ratings have been dropp (none / 0)

PW, I was just going to say, most of my coworkers know I'm a big Edwards supporter. If they ask me in the next couple of days about this story, I'll know that it has more legs.


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by clarkent on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:16:28 PM EST
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Wouldn't work as you'd expect in my office (none / 0)

But maybe that's because we're all liberal political junkies working for Democratic campaigns full time.  LOL.  Needless to say, I love my job. ;-)


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by Sean Robertson on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 10:41:12 AM EST
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Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (none / 0)

What would be great is if the Daily Show or Colbert picked up on this - but focused on Malkin and Donahue instead.


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by clarkent on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:17:55 PM EST

Great Idea! Let's make it happen. (none / 0)

Anyone got contact info?  


by Phoenix Woman on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:20:28 PM EST
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Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (none / 0)

It's already been on CNN and MSNBC, and probably Fox News as well. It's only a matter of time before it hits the network news.


by PhillyGuy on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:26:24 PM EST

Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (none / 0)

Not really.  Cable ratings (except for Olbermann) are either flat or augering into the ground.

One good thing:  CNN just now apparently did a story that focused on MyDD and Chris Bowers' reaction -- not the Donohue spin.


by Phoenix Woman on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 09:29:31 PM EST
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Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (none / 0)

When I saw stuff about this my first thought was about the supporters of Edwards and the tendency to be oversensitive.
I am glad you posted to say for them to just calm down as I was thinking the same.
Let it go for a few hours and see what Chris and co. find out first.
Getting all twisted over this right now is a waste of time and energy.  Just calm down.
I am not a supporter but, feel you guys shouldn't get wound up and find out it is nothing.
Just trying to give some good advise for you guys.
by vwcat on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 07:29:09 PM EST

Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (none / 0)

Phoenix,

I think you miss the biggest point of this.  You are right, the MSM may not pick it up.  But honestly, a lot of the electorate in this stage of the game won't care about it either way.

The people WHO ARE paying attention and the ones who do care are the politically active.  They are the ones who donate, who vote and WHO VOLUNTEER AND WORK for a canidate.  I make the argument that without the support of these people, a candidate like Dean in 2004 would not have made a blip on the radar... instead because of these passionate people who believed in their candidate, Dean surged to the forefront for a lot of the Pre-Iowa season and while he didn't win, he has parlayed his candidacy into the Head of the DNC.  

It is these people who may or may not be pissed off about the blogger situation.  As you have seen on here, there are a LOT of Edwards supporters who would dump him if he fires the two women.  I would bet that many other staunch supporters would feel the same way.  This could cost him manpower and money... and with this looking to be a 3 dog race with a SHITLOAD of money being spent, no candidate can afford that... least of all Edwards, if he falls out of the Iowa Polls to third, the media will stop paying attention and that will hurt too.


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by yitbos96bb on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 09:23:44 PM EST

Thing is, how much of this is true? (none / 0)

The Salon.com story that got everyone (including me) riled up was based on a misinterpretation of an e-mail sent by Jennifer Palmieri to Salon.

So go ahead and contact Edwards (919-636-3131) to urge him to back Amanda and Melissa.  But don't do things that empower Donohue -- who today called Barbara Walters a bigot, too.


by Phoenix Woman on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 09:32:55 PM EST
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Re: Thing is, how much of this is true? (none / 0)

Now I'm quite insulted and starting to get a little pissed off.  But I am hoping you didn't mean to insult me...  What exactly am I doing to "empower" Donahue?  Edwards has NEVER been my number one candidate.  I was simply stating the importance of a response by him.  And if that is a negative response it will hurt his campaign... will it cost him the election... I doubt it (then I don't think he will win the primaries, but that is a matter of opinion), but if it costs him volunteers, money and credibility with the activist and netroots portion of the party, that will hurt.


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by yitbos96bb on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 01:39:14 AM EST
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Please don't put words in my mouth. (none / 0)

I didn't say that you were already empowering Donohue.  But instead of doing what he wants us to do, why not do something he won't expect -- such as write/call up any newsies that take Donohue's comments at face value and reminding them that Donohue has a reflexive habit of calling anyone he doesn't like "bigots" (as he did yesterday with Barbara Walters, in language remarkably like what he used to attack Amanda and Melissa)?  


by Phoenix Woman on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:31:17 AM EST
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The most delicious response (3.00 / 2)

Would be a post on the Edwards blog tomorrow with the heading, "Rumors of my termination have been greatly exaggerated."


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by Drew on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 10:17:00 PM EST

Re: The most delicious response (3.00 / 1)

Yup, and followed with a list of every foul thing Donohue and Malkin have done, to make the right-wing bias of the attackers clear.


by Phoenix Woman on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 12:20:51 AM EST
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Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing The Obvious (none / 0)

To me, the answer to all this noise is clear as day. Just let Edwards not fire the bloggers, and let him loudly and vehemently chastise the William F. Buckley faction of the Catholic Church that promotes these bigots like Donohue, without providing them with the back-door promotion that would result from mentioning these swiftboat pirates by name. Simple!


by blues on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:23:28 AM EST

Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (3.00 / 1)

Do nothing and the bad people will go away?

Yeah, that worked for John Kerry, Howard Dean, Al Gore,...

In 1992, every time the Republicans smeared Clinton, he had a strong response out within 24 hours.  Clinton won.  The fact that he nipped this nonsense in the bud every time was a key factor in his success.  


by RickD on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:08:44 AM EST

Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (none / 0)

He didn't always have a rapid response. A lot of stories lingered early in the '92 primary season.


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by clarkent on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:46:04 AM EST
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Swift Boating was debunked right away... (3.00 / 1)

...yet the media still kept citing O'Neill and Corsi as if they hadn't been discredited.

Which means that the problem was not so much with the smear artists, as with the media that was all-too-eager to pick up the smears.

That's not happening this time out.  For one thing, the blogs and MediaMatters are a lot stronger -- THEY are the ones doing the Rapid Response, and it's working: the story isn't taking off the way that Donohue and Malkin hoped it would; aside from the Nedra Pickler and Salon.com pieces that started the hoo-ha several news cycles ago, not much media play has been happening, and what coverage there has been is starting to acknowlege that 1) Donohue's a nutjob and 2) Republican campaign bloggers, such as McCain's own Patrick Hynes, have said "controversial" things, too.  

I've been checking CNN's front page since last night; the story's nowhere to be found there. The NYT's dead-tree edition has nothing this morning. Neither did my local paper, the StarTribune.  It wasn't on the drive-time radio yesterday afternoon or this morning.  


by Phoenix Woman on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:49:09 AM EST
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Re: Swift Boating was debunked right away... (none / 0)

I don't know how effectively this can be compared to the Swiftboating.  For one, it happened at a time when Presidential Elections are not in the forefront of the VAST majority of American's minds... Swiftboating happened when the Election was the most forefront event in America... dominating the news cycle.  Second, making "a stupid hiring decision" is a LOT different than being accused of lying about one's war record... the event involved here is just not the same level as the swiftboat smear.  But the CW on the swiftboat smear is that Kerry's LACK of a response and not the contents of the smear itself that hurt his campaign.


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by yitbos96bb on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 10:08:13 AM EST
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the other issue with SBVT (none / 0)

is that John Kerry's war record was being attacked.John's war record was his strength as a candidate. Bloggers are not JRE's strength as a candidate. This attack might have been more effective v. Howard Dean in 04.

In short for the MSM this is not as big a story as the original SBVT story was. Also Kerry missed the opportunity to pile on when the debunking started.


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by molly bloom on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 03:00:04 PM EST
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I am conflicted (3.00 / 1)

Pheonix is right. If Edwards drudges up Donohue, then it would enable the right-wing meme of attack and smear.

Bowers is right as well. If Edwards fires the two bloggers, it will enable the right-wing meme of attack and smear.

Glad I am not John Edwards : )


by optimusprime on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:22:27 AM EST

Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (3.00 / 1)

we need to tear down these obnoxious and nutty wingers.  they get air time without us saying anything.  i think its time we said SOMETHING.  


by JAmbro on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 10:12:42 AM EST

Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (none / 0)

If you read the Hotline blog it is pretty clear why doing nothing is a stupid move. This is a story of interest to a very small number of people. Unfortunately this group of people are very influential when it comes to the way in which a candidate is perceived. It is far more important, at this stage in the race, that Edwards convinces this small group that he is a strong candidate who can't be pushed around, than whether the episode happens to last another cycle on drive time news or the networks.


by kundalini on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 10:27:00 AM EST

Shoe drops! (none / 0)

Statements from Edwards, Marcotte, McEwan on the JE08 blog.

Edwards is personally offended, bloggers apologize and express respect for religion and religious freedom.  No attack on Donahue, but it seems implicit that bloggers are still on the payroll.

It's a compromise, but apparently the logic is that a counterattack on Donahue increases the size of the story outside the blogosphere.

As a JE supporter, I'm satisfied.  I think there's a lot of sense particularly in the candidate treating Donahue himslef as beneath notice.  I expect Amanda will have more to say, suitably decorously I hope, as she continues running the blog.


by DaveMB on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 12:09:52 PM EST

Re: Edwards: The Wisdom of Doing Nothing (3.00 / 1)

I think the best analogy is the botched joke, Kerry over-reacted initially extending the story for two news cycles a week before the mid-terms, to the cheering I'd add of Kos and others.
  Edwards, himself, should be dimissing them, though surrogates like the netroots, should be bashing the hell out of Donohue, his statement border on the monomariacally delusional.
by MassEyesandEars on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:19:42 PM EST


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